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Stefan Grand Prix Championship – Australian Grand Prix

Australian Grand Prix Start (c) Sutton

After all of the doom and gloom reports in the press following the disappointing Bahrain Grand Prix, today’s race at Albert Park in Melbourne did enough to silence those critics and to get them to put down their hammers and nails. A spectacular race all round with a thrilling battle up front and in the midfield. But what about our boys at the back?

Unsurprisingly, out of only two cars to finish, it was the green and yellow car of Hekki Kovalainen who led home the new teams to claim his second victory in the Stefan GP Championship, finishing 2 laps down on race leader Jenson Button.

After the race, Kovalainen said he’d had an enjoyable afternoon at the wheel of his Lotus. “I enjoyed it today and had good fun out there. Our target was to finish the race and from the start we were quite comfortably ahead of the new teams. When Timo Glock dropped out I just focused on keeping up a decent rhythm, not making any mistakes and bringing the car home.Now we go to Malaysia with a good feeling and we’re all looking forward to that.”

Team boss Tony Fernandes praised the efforts of his Finish driver. “Heikki did us proud – three places away from a point, and he was keeping pace with most of the other cars throughout the race. Maybe it would have been nice if three other cars had gone out so we could get a point, but, joking aside, it is good that at this stage of the season we’re already thinking about points. We’re in a nice position for Malaysia.”

Hekki also claimed an extra point for producing the fastest lap of the debutantes, recording 1:33.638 on lap 52.

Chandhok in the HRT garage

The biggest surprise of the race was the Hispania Racing Teams’ car of Karun Chandhok, completing the race and being only 5 laps down. Having only achieved a 9 lap consecutive run previously, today’s performance is one to be greatly admired and one that the team can take a lot of heart from and also a lot of data.

“To finish was very difficult today, and all the more satisfying because of that,” Chandhok said after finishing the race. “I dedicate this race result to all the mechanics and engineers who worked so hard since Bahrain, without any pre-season testing. This is a fantastic day for the team and a great step forward. I am proud to have ended our first race. We achieved the best result we could do today. We have to keep pushing and working and we will manage to finish even higher.”

HRT does Colin Kolles was also delighted with the cars performance in the race. “This result, having Karun ending up the race in 14th position is a great step forward,” said Kolles. “We reached the goal with one of the two cars in the finish. I’m sorry for Bruno because he did a good job all weekend. Karun drove the team’s first full race and finished in 14th position the first race for the team, what was really fantastic, especially with these difficult conditions. The team did a great job and brought two very competitive cars on the grid. Now we will keep on pushing and just focus on our preparation for Malaysia, where our season will really begin.”

Lotus  Chief Technical Officer also added his praise to Chandhok. “Congratulations to Karun Chandhok for getting a finish!”

Finishing third was Timo Glock, who must have been disappointed to retired after only 70% of the race with suspension failure. The German was very confident that he would have finished the race had the car not developed this problem.

Virgin Racing cars emerge from the pits (c) Sutton

“The start of the race was okay. After leaving the pit lane I was able to catch up Chandok and some other cars and we had a bit of fun fighting with Michael. The car felt reasonably good in the wet and dry conditions. I started to feel that there was something wrong with the way the car was feeling. I came in and we found a problem which we now know to be a camber shim having worked loose, and this was causing the suspension to move around on the left rear. Had we not had the suspension issue I think we would have been looking good for our first chequered flag.”

Up next was Lucas Di Grassi, whose Australian Grand Prix will be remembered for his great battle with Michael Schumacher in the first few laps of the race. Coming into turn 13, Schumacher over took Di Grassi only to run wide, allowing the Brazilian to muscle his way back through. Though it was inevitable that Schumacher in the Mercedes was going to overtake and pull away, it was nice to see a driver in the lower cars battling it out with the established teams, showing that the new boys are not going to be pushed over.

After the race, Di Grassi said “The early part of the race was okay for me. The car was behaving quite well at the beginning. Unfortunately, we didn’t time the strategy well to change to slicks but otherwise things were going okay. So it’s a shame that we were hit by another problem – a hydraulic problem – and we had to retire after 26 laps.”

Hydraulics were again the mice in the machinery for Bruno Senna, who could only manage 4 laps until his Australian Grand Prix was over. “I didn´t intend my second Grand Prix to end with an hydraulic failure, but that´s racing! I made a good start and was in 14th after the big crash in front. It’s fantastic for the team to make it to the finish and we have got a great deal of data to work from for Malaysia. I hope we can finish with two cars next race.”

Still, it must be heartening for Senna to see that there is potential for the Dallara Chassis to last a full race, following his team-mates excellent performance. Although he would probably wish this it was him, he must take delight in knowing that the potential is there for the coming season.

Rounding up the débutantes was Jarno Trulli who would not make it out onto the track following an unusual problem for Lotus F1 , that being the hydraulics. Mike Gascoyne explained the problem after the race. “Obviously a very disappointing start. Jarno had a hydraulic power pack fail on the grid, not something we’ve seen before and we couldn’t get it changed in time.”

Looking at the championship table, it looks like there needs to be some stellar performances to reel in the lead that Hekki Kovalainen is building up. Although the battle to decide who will do the chasing is developing very nicely, with the remain five drivers covered by just 2 points.

Lotus F1 are also stretching their legs in the constructors table while the F1 circus heads off to the teams’ home Grand Prix, Malaysia. Hispania Racing and Virgin Racing  will be hoping to close down the gap to it’s début compatriots,while the Green and Yellow cars will be dreaming of chasing the more established teams at their end of the grid.

Driver Standing

1st: Hekki Kovalainen 22pts

2nd=: Karun Chandhok 7 pts

2nd=: Jarno Trulli 7pts

2nd=: Timo Glock 7pts

5th=: Bruno Senna 6pts

6th Lucas Di Grassi 5pts

Constructor Standing

1st: Lotus F1 29pts

2nd: Hispania Racing Team 13pts

3rd: Virgain Racing Team 12pts

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The Virgin Fuel Tank Issue

Following yesterdays embarrassing admission from Virgin Racing that it’s fuel tank was not big enough to enable either car to finish a race, the team backer Sir Richard Branson said he still remains committed to the team.

Virgin Racing at speed (c) LAT

“I think all of us around this table know that Nick has managed to get a car that is the fastest of the new cars, but there is an issue here that is going to take a few races to fix. It will actually give the car some time to have some practice time – because the new cars were given so little practice time. Over the next five races we will learn more and more about the car.”

Chief designer Nick Wirth revealed earlier in the week that the issue was first noticed during pre-season testing. “It has become clear during pre-season testing and our debut race in Bahrain that our fuel tank capacity is marginal. If not addressed there is the possibility that fuel pick-up could become an issue in certain circumstances.”

Indeed, after qualifying, Timo Glock revealed fuel pick-up issues were the reason the team were lagging over a second behind rivals Lotus F1. “We were carrying more fuel than we would have liked because of a pick-up problem, otherwise I think we would have been able to have more of a fight with Lotus.”

Virgin racing have now asked the FIA for permission to submit a new chassis for inspection, although that will not be available until the 5th round of the season in Barcelona. It is understood that this permission has been granted although some teams are unhappy at the precedent that this will set. In the meantime, the team will have to run the engines very lean during the following races to stand a chance of completing a race distance. Reliability has been the main gremlin that the Virgin Racing cars have had so it is not expected that any of the cars will be able to reach the full race distance anyway.

James Allen notes how strange that this situation has come about. “The fuel cells are an outsourced component and are produced for the team by a company called Premier. Most F1 teams use cells from ATL. Teams request cells of different sizes depending on their fuel consumption figures, but Cosworth, which powers Virgin as well as three other teams, will have been very specific with all its customers about the fuel required by its engine.”

Nick Wirth has insisted that his CFD approach was not to blame for this error, however his critics will be quick to point out the team needs to change its approach if it to race competitively as the season progresses.

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Qualifying Report – Australian Grand Prix

The Melbourne Gloom

As the overcast gloom of the evening rolled over Melbourne while the dust was setting over the qualifying battle between the two Red Bulls, the interest for the Stefan Grand Prix Blog had already been settled 30 minutes earlier with Hekki Kovalainen coming on top of the 6 new boys.

The threat of rain hung over the first frantic qualifying session with traffic also a major concern due to the fact that the Melbourne track is 30-seconds slower and narrower than the Bahrain circuit.

Hydralic failures had yet again cut short Hispania Racings final practice session, once again cutting short the teams valuable track time. It was no surprise that both drivers were at the bottom of the time sheets. What was more interesting was how close Chandhok’s time was to Senna’s. With limited practice time in the previous race, we were not able to gauge the relative talent between the HRT boys. Now both drivers are getting equal, though limited, track time in their respective cars, we can see that that Karun and Bruno are very evenly matched.

Hispania Racing Team in Melbourne

“I was one of the early starters and joined track with a set of Soft tyres,” said Chandhok. “I wanted to make it through Q1 and I did. I am very pleased with this result for our second Grand Prix; we are not too far from the top runners and I haven’t made any significant errors – it’s a great way to start my F1 career!”

Meanwhile Senna was frustrated with the lack of track time in the mornings practice session. “It’s been a bit of a difficult day, stopping on the circuit this morning with a hydraulic problem after we solved yesterday’s fuel pressure problem, and then we did a good job with the team. We continue to learn how the car reacts to setup changes. We left early in the session as we were afraid that it would just start to rain. To finish where we are on the grid is okay in the circumstances and the goal is to make it through the race tomorrow.”

This will be a battle to keep our eyes on as the season develops.

Following the embarrassment that the Virgin Racing cars’ fuel tanks are no big enough for them to last a full race distance, Nick Wirth and his team were hoping to put that behind them and show that their car does have some good pace. This was not to be, as both cars have languished over a second behind Lotus F1 throughout the whole Melbourne weekend. As in Bahrain, Timo Glock was able to qualify over half a second over his rookie team make Lucas Di Grassi.

After qualifying, Glock revealed more fuel problems for his team. “We had another tough morning so all I could do is try to get the best out of the car in qualifying,” explained Glock, who starts 21st at Albert Park.” he said. “We were carrying more fuel than we would have liked because of a pick-up problem, otherwise I think we would have been able to have more of a fight with Lotus. Anyway, we’ll do what we can to prepare for tomorrow and see what the race brings.”

Lotus F1

For Lotus F1, it was a great qualifying session all round. The team are not expecting to be able to breaking into Q2 just yet, but they were pleased to be able to comprehensively out qualify it’s main rivals. Though Hekki Kovalainen was 2.2 seconds slower that Vitaly Petrov’s Renault immediately in front of him, Hekki was very pleased with his qualifying effort.

“”It was a good run this afternoon. I got a good lap out of the car and out of the tyres and in general the car feels much better than it did in Bahrain. We have progressed with the setup and as a team we are really stepping forward. Our aim for tomorrow is to make sure we stay ahead of the other new teams and finish the race with both cars. I’m so happy with Lotus and feel I have the chance to show what I can really do.”

Meanwhile, Jarno Trulli blamed problems with his seat which caused him problems throughout the session. “I had a problem with the seat which meant it wasn’t easy to drive, bouncing around in the car, so it was a difficult qualifying session. I’m pleased for the team though, as both cars are ahead of the new teams and we’re performing really well.”

With HRT’s endless hydraulic problems and Virgin Racing’s red-faced fuel tank issues, it can pretty much be guaranteed that Lotus F1 will still be leading the Stefan Grand Prix Championship after the Australian Grand Prix.

Kovalainen     Lotus-Cosworth        1:28.797
Trulli         Lotus-Cosworth        1:29.111
Glock          Virgin-Cosworth       1:29.592
Di Grassi      Virgin-Cosworth       1:30.185
Senna          HRT-Cosworth          1:30.526
Chandhok       HRT-Cosworth          1:30.613

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“We’re Here, We’re Racing…F*** You!”

Mike Gascoyne

In a fabulous interview with ESPN, the ever free talking Mike Gascoyne turned the Melbourne air blue and rounded on the critics of the news teams. The Lotus F1 Technical Director is not nicknamed “The Bulldog” for no reason, yet he does show his sympathetic side when discussing the chances of Hispania Racing catching the pack during the season.

“We always said we’d be here, be professional and reliable, and we’ve done what we said we’d do” Gascoyne said. ” Now we’ll get on and make it quick. For those who said new teams shouldn’t be here, when you saw Heikki fighting with Hulkenberg, well… we’re here, we’re racing … f*** you!”

The interview also revealed great insight into the difficulties of starting up a new team and building a car in such a short time space.

When asked if there were times if he thought the team would not make it to Bahrain, he responded “No, there were times that I worried what state it would be in, but never a worry that we wouldn’t be here. Perversely, what you might think was the difficult bit – the car – was always on target. It was the ancillary things – getting the people in time, the 25 tonnes of freight… When you’re an established team, you don’t notice it. But when everything turns up via the back door in one go, you realise there’s a lot of it. I mean, all of that turned up in the last month. At Christmas we were still only 20 people.”

He also gave his opinion if he thinks USF1 should be allowed to compete next year. “The FIA have to be fair and open a tendering process, and in that process you have to view people’s past performance. I think it could be very important for F1 to have a team based in the US and raise the sport’s profile in the States. Therefore, I think it’s a great shame [that USF1 were unable to make the grid this year], because we know better than anyone how difficult it is. But it doesn’t reflect well on the sport.”

Gascoyne also has sympathy regarding Hispania Racing Teams situation when responding to the question about the possibility of the re-introduction of the 107% rule.

“We’re well inside 107%, so we don’t give a shit!”There’s no testing. So how the hell are HRT meant to get on the pace if you say ‘no you can’t race’? It shows that the entry process needs to be longer. I mean, we got it done very professionally, but I’m sure if we’d had a year we’d be racing Sauber and Toro Rosso in the midfield.”

There are certainly many people who are disappointed that Gascoyne’s Lotus T107 is still some way off the front of the grid, however, in Gascoynes own words, “Our aim will be to finish and steadily but surely improve, race by race.” He has certain achieved that with a virtually unbreakable car. Now, he has to find the pace.

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Zoran Stefanovic Speaks…

Mr. Stefanovic speaking to Stevan Denkovski

…to Sportal.rs in a wide-ranging interview regarding the break up with Toyota, the prospect of 2011, the ‘Serbian Vulture’ comments and Mr. Stefanovic calling on all Stefan Grand Prix “brave fans” to “Arise!”

Following the recent news that Stefan Grand Prix and Toyota F1 had gone their separate ways for the time being, Mr. Stefanovic was back in Serbian, answering the critics questions, not only from abroad, but more closer to home as recent allegations of his company had enraged locals feelings that Mr. Stefanovic was dragging the nation through the mud by letting outside nations point their fingers at their country and laugh.

Explaining his idea when Stefan Grand Prix applied in mid-2009 to the FIA to race in 2010, Mr Stefanovic said the approach was different to previous times he had applied.

“This time it really was prepared with the right team of people. The idea had changed, so we wanted the team headquarters to be in Belgrade.The capital of Serbia is still our intention, as an ideal logistics centre, however we are received. In late May, early June, I saw with Ecclestone in London in which we reached agreement and were told that we have the biggest chances to get a place. And, finally, we went for it.”

He then gives details of the negotiations with Campos and USF1. “We agreed with Adrian Campos [to a buy-out] at the end of November, but the price was unreasonable. In January, another round of negotiations collapsed, and U.S. F1 changed his mind about selling.” It would appear that Chad Hurley was at the forefront of the

Ken Anderson & Peter Windsor

USF1 negotiations. “Agreement was to take the whole system and create a Serbian-American team with which we agreed. Unfortunately, others in their team were thinking to have a better output. The obstacle was the fact that we did not want to finance another’s failures.” In other words, Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor still wanted the team to be called USF1 and to still be in charge of the team.

“I think that essentially it all revolved around money. For example, when Campos said their first price, we began to laugh. They knew that the figure was not real, but  we did not have the FIA application . For the F1 application, they requested 40 million euros! It was a superb sauce. Here, they failed, because this is what it is today, Hispania team, and it has no connection with Campos, except on legal grounds. They spent a lot of money, and all they have are two cars, a few spare parts and nothing more.”

Regarding the criticism about the AMCO website and the apparent small turnover figure for the company (here, the interviewer states that the company had an annual turnover in 2008 of 310,000 euros), Mr Stefanovic responded with, “Will you tell me that the turnover of the  Virgin Racing company is sufficient to cover the costs of Formula 1? Virgin does not have any earning money,  he [Branson] just spends. Talking about what a company earns is frivolous, because the team is funded from sponsorship contracts. Several times they asked me to comment on someone’s opinion, but with due respect for all the fans, we cannot have debates with someone who leaves comments on sites, who it turns out is 14 years old!

Mr. Stefanovic calls on Brave Fans to "Arise!"

“Opinions of fans are fine. On the other hand, we have a lot more support from a few thousand people who we do not know: from South America, America, Canada, all to Japan. Arise, our brave, and the fact that we do more than others.”

Reacting to comments about the amateurish nature of AMCO’s website, Mr. Stefanovic rebutted with, “The only controversial thing was the translation into English, which we deliberately changed, because the translation may be different. For example, our fans from Brazil, which are numerous, can find themselves translated into Serbian. Even the Cyrillic alphabet! And sent to us in English and Spanish and Serbian. Second, our site is not generally done badly. We wanted fireworks and moving pictures, but we are not a company that makes films or sites, we are an engineering company that makes cars for Formula One.”

The next part of the interview becomes very interesting for those who are waiting to hear the official Stefan Grand Prix line regarding last months Ferrari editorial which called Mr. Stefanovic and his team ‘vultures”. His response makes interesting reading.

“Ferrari soon received a notice from us, although we have not sought to follow it up as it is not their official position. At our request, they explained that it is the opinion of one of their bloggers, which was published. Is it really a secondary story.

Mr. Stefanovic is passionate for Serbia to have an F1 team

“I think that nothing related to me personally. Is it objectionable to have a Serbian team? I do not know, but the fact that few people here expect that from this part of the world  and for a team ready for F1. Now it’s different. A large number of people with whom we cooperate from Formula 1, or have been in Formula 1 and I know what and how it can be done. The truth is, we found the overall welcome.”

For the team to be based in Serbia is clearly at the heart of Stefan Grand Prix. “The seat [headquarters] is of course in Belgrade. This is a company from Serbia, bearing the license of our sports federation and appearances as a Serbian team. The mechanics are divided. We strive to have more people from Serbia, but there will be some from abroad.”

To start an F1 team, you need access to a wind tunnel. In previous interviews, Mr. Stefanovic stated that Serbia has many wind tunnels which would be at his disposal. He clarified this by saying “We have the ability to use air in Serbia tunnels, and there are seven in Belgrade, and one water. Some in the Military-Technical Institute, and the rest of Mechanical Engineering. However,  it is not adjusted for F1. It is necessary to place a moving floor, and some other things. In October, Stefan GP bought a moving floor and we can install it, but for now there is only a potential. Will we use it? I do not know. Currently, if there is the need for work in a wind tunnel, we will start to abroad.”

Mr. Stefanovic has remained philosophical throughout the struggle earlier this year, regarding his critics being motivated by fear and not by pure journalistic intentions. “To understand it, critics are not bad and can be corrected. Different opinions can be a part of fear, not because of negative attitude, but because of concerns that we will indeed succeed. As life is concerned, people do not recognize me so much. The biggest surprise was when we returned from Germany. One of the customs officers asked me: “Are you Stefan Grand Prix?”. This, I did not expect, but it is quite pleasant. The reactions are generally positive, and why would  you not do the thing that contributes to a better image of Serbia …”

There are some interesting points to draw from this interview. Mr. Stefanovic does not exactly state that he is putting together another application to the FIA for the 13th grid slot but you can conclude that he is quietly working away behinds the scenes, readying the paperwork to be sent to Paris.

Mr. Stefanoic is clearly quite passionate about having a Formula One team based in Serbia to promote the engineering capacity of his country, laying down some of the points that will no doubt be in the dossier that Stefan GP will submit to Jean Todt in April. Making the point about acquiring a rolling floor which can be placed into an exciting wind tunnel in Serbia is certainly one of those.

For all of us brave Stefan Grand Prix fans, now we have arisen, we now await the FIAs’ announcement of the 13th grid slot with eager anticipation.

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Stefan GP and Toyota Deal Ends

The End of a Beautiful Relationship?

Breaking the story first, Adam Cooper reported that the collaboration between Stefan Grand Prix and Toyota had ended with the news that the team would not be able to participate in the 2010 season. This news contradicted the report from Autosport that Zoran Stefanovic had agreed a deal to purchase and take over USF1 so it could take it’s entry.

“Although Stefanovic believes that in purchasing the US F1 assets he should get the team’s original entry, it is understood that the FIA has written to the team to explain that the American team forfeited the entry when it failed to start the season.” Autosport wrote. “Furthermore, the FIA is poised to begin disciplinary action against US F1 for its failure to make the grid – which could theoretically result in Stefanovic’s company getting dragged into any penalties that are eventually handed down if he owns the American team.”

This would not be something that Mr. Stefanovic would want to be involved with, especially of he is putting together a bid to enter the 2011 F1 season.

And so, to the main news, which was confirmed with an interview with Autosport stating that Mr. Stefanovic and his team would no longer be collaborating with Toyota in the future. “For 2010, it’s not feasible to do it anymore,” Stefanovic told AUTOSPORT. “We have some other [plan] in mind, we will see. We are very grateful to Toyota, which is a great company and doing a great job in what they are doing. They are now organising things differently, they are now more profit centered in TMG in Cologne.”

The break from the memorandum of understanding is strange from both sides given the fact that if the collaboration was to continue during the 2011 FIA tenure process, then this would give Stefan GP a very strong advantage over any other team within to enter the 2011 season.

Stefan GP Trucks

Toyota released a statement, in which it said it had“restructured to provide specialist solutions ranging from complete car development to individual component testing or production, aimed at the automotive or engineering sectors and beyond. Around 200 experts provide a flexible portfolio of specialised services which for the first time is available to external clients, in addition to the worldwide Toyota family.”

This opens up the possibility that another potential team could get involved with Toyota if they are granted entry to the 2011 season by the FIA.

So, where does this leave Stefan GP? The Stefan Grand Prix blog will be analysing that and an interview given to the Serbian press a little later.

UPDATE: It has been announced that the Spanish Epsilon Euskadi team is considering submitting an entry to the FIA to compete in 2011. All potential candidates are required to register by April 15th, when the FIA will decide which team can take the 13th grid slot. Rather strangely, a 14th reserve  grid slot has been opened, but who would be willing to spend all that money, make a car, sign drivers etc, only to sit on the sidelines if no-one drops out? How will they be able attract sponsors? This author thinks that idea will not last.

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Hispania Racing Team Review – Bahrain GP

Of the three new teams making their début at Bahrain, Hispania Racing Team had the least to prove thanks to the late buyout of Campos Meta by José Ramón Carabante just two weeks before the start of the season. With all of this, it was going to be difficult for HRT to achieve anything other than a few turns of their wheels.

Bruno Senna (c) LAT

The team turned up in Bahrain without a single car complete which meant that Bruno Senna was only able to complete three installation laps in the first free practice session. For the second free practice, Senna was able to get more laps under his belt, eventually finishing the session 11 seconds slower that the fastest time set by Nico Rosberg. However, Karun Chandhok was unable to leave the garage all day. “It’s some sort of electronic or hydraulic issue, I don’t think it’s mechanical. It’s not an ideal situation, but we’ve been a but luckier on Bruno’s car which at least got out of the garage, and try and do a bit more this afternoon.” he said.

Saturdays morning practice was more productive again for Bruno Senna who managed to get his lap time within 10 seconds of Fernando Alonsos blistering lap. However, it was the same old story for Chandhok, who cars suffered from hydraulic failure, which mean that Karun would go into qualifying without a single lap of the Bahrain circuit.

It was perhaps inevitable that both cars should qualify 23rd and 24th, with Senna lapping 2.7 seconds slower that Lucas Di Grassi in 22nd place. Chandhok lapped a respectable 1.7seconds slower that Senna. A remarkable performance given the fact that this was his first time turning a wheel in the car, let alone a Formula One car.

Karun Chandhok (c) Sutton

And so to the race, where the team decided to start from the pit lane, allowing the cars to be released from parc ferme so the team could continue working overnight. It was no surprise, that on the second lap, Karuns’ race ended after riding over a bump that he didn’t know was there, sending his HRT head first into the barriers. Sennas’ race ended on lap 17 when he parked his car at turn with an overheated engine. It was the furthest the car had ran uninterrupted. Albeit with a pit stop to change the tyres.

It was unsurprising given the fact of the rush to complete the cars that Hispania Racing Team’s first weekend was as chaotic as that. However, there are many positives the team can take away with both Senna and Chandhok showing good pace. They will have to ride out the following fly-away races, concentrating on reliability before heading back to Europe where the team can search for pace and hope to catch up Lotus F1 and Virgin.

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